john k ( talk) 15:30, 18 August 2009 (UTC) It's really not.
Rules designed for dealing with transgender issues in modern times should not be used for an 18th century cross-dresser. The 18th century is not the 21st century. Opera hat ( talk) 13:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC) Ĭhanged gender to reflect how the Chevalier d'Eon identified herself, in line with other transgender articles. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity) would seem to say that the Chevalier should be referred to as "he" before 1777 and "she" after that date. I will do it later if there isn't compelling reason not to, keeping with Wikipedia's policies.
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In keeping with Wikipedia's Manual of Style I suggest changing all references to use female pronouns.
Please, for the love of God, quit interjecting your fucking politics into things and just present goddamned facts. This page is less coherent and conveys less information to me about the actual person than a fan-made wiki for a video game where in a fictionalized d'Eon is depicted.
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I'm probably doing this wrong, but I'm not sure exactly how to put this: I came to d'Eon's wikipedia page for information on the person as they are a character in fate/grand order, but I feel like I would have been better served going to the type-moon wiki for information on d'Eon as this is possibly the worst cluster fuck I have ever seen. There must be some way to say that without introducing a bizarre claim about the doctors' belief about d'Eon's gender assignment at birth. It seems to me that the article is trying to say the doctors examining the corpse concluded that d'Eon was a man, regardless of the truth of that conclusion. Presumably the article implies the corpse had genitalia that would lead the doctor to assume the person was assigned male at birth the only way to know what sex someone was assigned at birth would be testimony from a person who was present at the birth. Eve rgr een Fir (talk) Please 20:04, 16 February 2015 (UTC) I defy you to tell me how you can possibly determine what sex/gender an 82-year-old person was assigned at birth by examining that person's corpse, other than by observing that person's genitalia and making assumptions. Surely we can come up with some better wording.ģ8.122.229.162 ( talk) 19:00, 16 February 2015 (UTC) Not a euphemism. I suspect this is intended as a euphemism for discovering that the Chevalier had (what the doctors of the time would consider to be) male genitalia. Whether or not d'Eon self-identified as male or female, was trans or not, I very much doubt doctors examining the body "discovered that the Chevalier was assigned male at birth" that's not something you can learn simply from examining a corpse. The repeated use of "assigned male/female at birth" in this article reads very oddly. Also sorted comments on the talk page into appropriate topics. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.226.28.255 ( talk įixed the pervasive tense issues and cleaned up a couple of the really bad lines, but this article still needs a lot of help-parts of it read like a bad fanfic. Hopefully someone will have the time to fix it. The language needs tightening, the article is poorly organized, and the facts are bare bones. 7.2 Straw Poll: Does the gender identity section of WP:MOS#Identity apply here?.7 RfC: Should the historic figure of the Chevalier d'Éon be referred to as a man or a woman?.
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